Benitez147's Posts

@WhyBADservice wrote: Usually it would be network congestion causing these problems. But this is a rampant problem being widely discussed that only started recently and immediately might I add. Here like clockwork on Saturday and Sundays this takes place. No data access except once or twice twice 3 seconds every 3 hours. From a.m. to late p.m. for the past several months. Congestion wouldn't be that specific for me Install a VPN (ExpressVPN) on your phone and watch your speeds go up magically. 

@Echancy wrote: I also am on a legacy unlimited plan. Nationwide 1400 talk and text with unlimited web and email for $29.99 (I've had this plan since 2007 or 2008 I believe). I was able to purchase the new Samsung Note 20 Ultra using a payment plan through Verizon, and "upgrading " my existing line but keeping my existing plan. I read through all of the fine print, and everything appears to be in order. Fingers crossed nothing was messed up! I don't want to lose my video quality and lack of throttling/no data cap. These grandfathered legacy plans are the reason I've paid more than I would have on other carriers, for years.  How did your plan charges look after you upgraded your phone? How is the 5G access billed with the nationwide plan? Any noticeable changes you (or anyone that has the nationwide plan) experience after you got access to 5G?

@Avy1 wrote:  Since the begining of this month, I've been on limited connectivity with an AC791L and can only access the Admin page.  I have the exact jetpacks and an older model and have in the past been able to swap out the sim card and be connected, but after calling tech support, they said that this model jetpack has been retired.  I cannot buy any product through Verizon without needing a new plan, yet I can purchase a 3rd party Verizon device and retain the gUDP. I specifically asked what device is compatible with this unlimited, unthrottle data plan.  They recommended the 8800L, which requires a nano sim.  I have a nano sim that has never been activated and simply would like to activate the nano sim on a new jetpack  and deactivate the micro sim in the 5+year old device and retain my current plan, hut after several calls, transfers to dept. and tiers.  and here's the kicker...   THERE IS NO DEVICE THAT CAN BE ACTIVED UNDER MY CURRENT gUDP  Verizon is not complying with their own ToS where it states all plans will have a compatible device.   Please elevate this issue so that Verizon will honor their contract. That is crazy to see that Verizon is trying to get you to get rid of your plan. You do have choices though, please disregard the two previous post before this one as they are misinformed and giving you false information. I also have one of those grandfathered plans and the beauty of them is that you are able to use your data however you like. I know someone who is using the Novatel 5510 MiFi device with their unlimited data and have had that for years and no you are not violating the TOS as we are still operating under the old unlimited Nationwide 4G data TOS. Go to eBay and buy a used 4G MiFi device and pop in the sim and it should work. I have explained this in previous threads and they still hold weight today as we have not changed plans to the new "unlimited" plans. Other posters might give their opinion and tell you that you are violating TOS and that is simply not true. Good luck in keeping your plan and stick it to Verizon for introducing these lame new plans to consumers. 

@Ufomarc2 wrote: Thank you  for your input, I’ve been a Verizon customer long-standing for almost 19 years, and I was one of the 1st to get the grandfathered in on the unlimited plan, the original one. After reading the comments on the forum I am definitely never going to give it up unless it becomes so prohibitively expensive that it costs $200 a month. Currently it’s costing me about $100 A month which is close to what you pay for a high-speed cable company to give you Internet service. A nice tend to be a high yield user, I do a lot of streaming, and watching of movies and TV shows. I average between 180 GB a month to that as high is almost 300 some months. So I would almost certainly always be at the threshold for Throttling. 💩 😇🌟🖖 Definitely agree with your comment which is why I always tell people NOT to give up their grandfathered unlimited data. During this covid-19 crisis time, it demonstrates the greatness of the grandfathered unlimited data plan.  Keep on using 180-300 GB a month and enjoy your unlimited data plan. I will do the same as you with my unlimited data plan. 

Okay then. It was a suggestion as a starter plan for a child. The keyword here is PREPAID. If At& t pulls some funny business with billing, then I simply walk away. There is no committment with prepaid. I'm not too happy about having a child line with them, but at $16 a month it's not much of a risk. I also got a $75 referral credit and bought $120 worth of at & t prepaid refill cards for $45. So I'll be paying very little for my child's line for over a year. People on At & t prepaid community board state they have grandfathered prepaid plans they've had for years. The TMoBlow $15 is 2 GB also while also being that price for at least 5 years and also offer access to 5G and they add 500 MB each year you keep the plan, but it is a hard stop once you reach your 2 GB allowance. Another thing is that they're known as TMoBlow for a reason. But for $15 a month, many people will sign up for these cheap plans. We'll see if Verizon follows suit.

@larzwar wrote: So there you have it: what JUST happened when I tried to add lines or switch to a plan with fewer minutes. I know you recommended getting someone on the phone, but like I said, I happened to be texting over another minor issue, and I'm a pretty good judge of competence, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. If I pursue it, I will go with trying over the phone. (I remember back in the day when you had to buy airline tickets over the phone, it was always a matter of finding an agent who was willing to play around and try different date and time combinations. I get this game!) And for the record, you are right, I am definitely not using enough data to be on Verizon's list of people to pursue, and I live in a city too, so I rarely roam. Now, back to the original matter--I must admit that you lost me on your last posts.  Here are my questions, if you don't mind. 1. You said "you can tether 30 GB or 70 GB if you choose to use that much and not worry about your tethering allowance to stop like these new plans have in their terms."  Are you saying that if I do hook up a mifi device or similar with my phone's sim card in it, I can use it as much as I want? Yes, that is correct. I don't really understand 'tether' as a verb in this context. I think what you are saying is that I won't have a limit, is all. And to be clear, I could pop the SIM card out of the phone, into the device, and back into the phone as I wish, right? Yes, that is correct. 2. I still don't understand about the Nationwide Family plans. Although I struck out today, is the idea that I could switch to one of those plans and share my unlimited data across multiple lines? If so, then why did you say "If you add additional lines to your family plan and you get your kids on the 2GB $30 minute plan with a smartphone..."? Or is it that they would share my minutes, but not my data? This is the part I am not following. (Although I faked it pretty well with the Verizon rep!) That is correct. If you add additional lines to your current plan. You would be a family plan and you would share minutes and text (assuming you are able to get the minutes and text plan), but you do not share data. Each individual line will have to get their own data allowance and  you do not share it with other lines.  3. Regarding this: "I would try to get the iPhones you bought your kids unlocked (call customer service and see if they can do this process for you) and buy the $15 prepaid AT & T smartphone plan. It costs around $16 after taxes and you will save a lot of money. " You are saying to switch the phones to AT&T altogether? No, just your kids lines. But keep in mind that the AT & T prepaid plan will have to remain an individual line for however many lines you want as this AT & T promotion is set up for individual lines only. Example: if you have 2 kids, you would have to set up 2 different prepaid AT & T accounts with the $15 plan. How much data would they have for $15 bucks--can't be much, right? 2 GB a line. or are you saying to do that and have them connect via the Jetpack? No, I understand you do not want to have a Jetpack with you at all time. Bc that's not going to work since they are usually on their phones a lot not right next to me. Currently, they have iphone 7s and are on Boost Mobile, which is what their dad set them up with. It would just obviously be cheaper if they could leach off my unlimited, but I don't really expect to be able to pull that off. This might pose a challenge if you want to sign up for the AT & T plan. You would have to first have the iPhone 7's unlocked by Boost mobile first. Look over boost unlocking policy and see if your iPhone 7's qualify for unlocking.   General Eligibility for Unlocking Boost Mobile will assist with unlocking a device under the following circumstances: The device is SIM unlock capable The device has not been reported as lost or stolen or otherwise flagged as ineligible to be unlocked The device has been active on the associated account for at least 12 months The associated account is active and in good standing If you believe you meet the above requirements and would like to request that your DSU-capable device be unlocked, contact Boost Mobile Customer Care by dialing 1-888-BOOST-4U. Any clarification on this is appreciated! And I hope you got some good intel from my chat transcript! I'm sure if nothing else, it was fuel for your fire. 🙂 Definitely. It is fun fighting with these posters sometimes. Might as well keep this unlimited data plan while we can keep it as I think the days of us having it will eventually come to an end when 4G is retired.  

@larzwar wrote: Also, I have a single person/single line plan, so if I wanted to add lines without threatening my current grandfathered one, I could only do that by putting them on my name/account, but under an entirely different plan, correct? You can either do two things. You can add lines to your Nationwide plan like I mentioned in the last post or you can create a sub account with a customer service representative in your account. You will have two different accounts with Verizon if you create a sub account. The new sub account will consist of new plans whichever one you choose to put your kids in.

@larzwar wrote: Thank you @mama23dogs and @Benitez147  for your continued weighing in. The rvmobile article was very interesting, although the part I really wanted to read was behind a membership paywall. I'm Team Benitez all the way in not wanting to give up what I have just bc a corporation wants me to (though I do have to give Verizon props for letting this whole discussion happen on their community page). Seriously, I have wondered about all of this for quite some time, and by reaching out to the person who was breaking it down in the way that made the most sense to me, I have learned more than I even asked about. It sounds like if at some point I choose to purchase a mifi/tethering/jetpack device, I would be able to take the SIM card out of my phone, put it in the device, and create a little hotspot for me and others around me, such as on a family road trip--is that right? I think my confusion about the parental restrictions came from conflating Apple's parental controls with Verizon's. I currently can't monitor my kids bc they aren't on my iCloud account, but that has nothing to do with phones. And for the record, I am a woman, not a man.    You're welcome. Yes, whenever anyone brings questions about the legacy unlimited data plan. Veteran posters like @mama23dogs and others who believe they know everything about Verizon including our nationwide plans which they do not have anymore and anyone who offers different advice is incorrect. That is why she suggested looking at the new "unlimited" data plans. When people on these boards complain about their data being throttled to a crawl, all they say is "well you got a really cheap plan. It's like wanting a Ferrari but you have a Nissan" and stupid analogies like that which is why I am telling you to keep the unlimited data plan that you currently have. It's no secret that Verizon does not want people to have these plans instead wanting to migrate them over to more expensive and network congested plans. Let me tell you that I have had this unlimited data plan close to 10 years and I have had my SIM card in a MiFi device for years and I have never received a letter from Verizon. @mama23dogs referenced a good article which highlights problems people with legacy unlimited data have experienced. I read Verizon was actively auditing fraudulent accounts acquired illegally through a 3rd party (ie. through business accounts or leasing your plan to someone else) and terminating their service. Verizon was also actively trying to terminate accounts that used a lot of data roaming because Verizon was paying other companies too much for those users roaming. Verizon decided to cut their loses with that user because they were costing more than what they were bringing in and terminated their account. I live in a big city so I have no issue of roaming. The case referenced in RV mobile website did not state what situation they were in. I know people who strictly use the legacy unlimited data only for data and use over 200 GB monthly and have not received anything from Verizon. You do want to proceed with caution and not abuse data like some users have, but I have a feeling that you don't and majority of users do not abuse it. They just like to label all of us as abusing data because we have this plan. I quote the article referenced from 2012 from phone news website in which Verizon responded, " The SIM holds the detail of your data plan. If you move it to another device, you will be charged for the service you use. If you have an unlimited SIM and it fits another device, you can use it and you will pay for the service plan associated with the SIM. Even we were surprised by the clarity of Verizon’s confirmation. This means Verizon is well aware that they cannot touch your grandfathered smartphone data plan, just because you chose to move it to a LTE MiFi or LTE iPad (which also acts as a portable hotspot)."  Yes, you can purchase a used Mi-Fi device and simply remove your SIM card from your phone and place it on a Jetpack without the fear of hearing from Verizon. That is the beauty of having a true unlimited data. You can tether 30 GB or 70 GB if you choose to use that much and not worry about your tethering allowance to stop like these new plans have in their terms. If you switch to these new plans, your terms and conditions will change and you will be subjected to the new rules Verizon implemented when they re-introduced the new Unlimited Data plans.   I think @mama23dogs understood clearly what I meant, but she is trying to nitpick everything I wrote. Obviously iPhone SE only has one model in the USA and she knew I meant you bought the iPhone SE that is locked to the Verizon Wireless network for 60 days (you can unlock if you have a qualifying reason before the 60 days), but she is trying to make me look dumb because the "expert" is getting schooled on this plan.  Yes, @mama23dogs is correct. I use both Android and iPhone. If you bought your kids iPhones, then you can set parental controls within the iPhone. Go to "settings", "screen time", "Content & Privacy Restrictions" and in the content & privacy restrictions tab is where you can block Apps, iTunes & App store purchases, Content restrictions, communication restrictions and then go to main screen on the "content & privacy restrictions" tab and set a screen time pass code which your kids won't have. If you want to subscribe to Verizon's Smart Family ($4.99 a month). Just make sure you log in your iCloud account to their iPhones and you can locate them on the iCloud.   It is up to you if you want to try to convert your single line account into a multi line account. You would have to talk to a Customer Service Representative to see if they can convert your account. It is better to talk to a knowledgeable representative that is family with Nationwide plans and familiar with legacy Verizon codes on their system. If you get a representative who is not familiar with these plans and you proceed to change your plan, then you run the risk of the representative removing your unlimited data by "mistake". 90001 Nationwide Voice Family Share 700/$69.98 90002 Nationwide Voice Family Share 1400/$89.98 90003 Nationwide Voice & Messaging Family Share 700 Minutes/$99.98 90004 Nationwide Voice & Messaging Family Share 1400 Minutes/$119.98 90005 Nationwide Voice Family Share 2000 Minutes/$99.98 If you decide to keep your single line, you can drop your minutes and save some money that way.  73436 Nationwide Voice Individual 450 Minutes/$39.99 73442 Nationwide Voice & Messaging 450 Minutes/$59.99  Your company discount will be applied if you stay on the .99 pricing. If you add additional lines to your family plan and you get your kids on the 2GB $30 minute plan with a smartphone, then your company discount will not apply to that data plan. If I was you, I would try to get the iPhones you bought your kids unlocked (call customer service and see if they can do this process for you) and buy the $15 prepaid AT & T smartphone plan. It costs around $16 after taxes and you will save a lot of money. Downside is you won't be able to activate Smart Family with it, but if you mess around with the screen time restrictions like I posted up there, you might feel more comfortable managing their phones. Good luck and thank you for posting that you are a female to show that I am an equal opportunity to either gender.

@larzwar wrote: Wow, ok, I've touched a nerve! Again, this just makes me feel like I have something worth fighting to keep. Yes, there are people who are angered that many of us that have the nationwide unlimited data decide to keep it and Verizon is letting us keep it. They feel it is unfair when we don't have to abide by the network congestion rules Verizon imposes on these new "unlimited" data plans. They give you an allowance ie. 50 GB, 75 GB (which you will pass due to people using more data now than ever). Wait till 4K comes to mobile phones and see how much data that is going to use. Let's keep on upsetting these people by keeping this plan  and sticking it to Verizon.  Yes, I did buy the phone online directly from Apple. It asked me which carrier I had, but it did not ask me to change my plan. The SIM card the new phone came with says Verizon. (FYI, I actually thought the opposite as you--that if I bought the phone from Verizon, not Apple, that's when I would be forced to switch plans. That has been my experience--but that was via the Verizon website, not calling them.) As of right now, I can see that I still have my same plan. But that makes sense, bc as far as Verizon knows, nothing has changed. I didn't buy the phone from them and I haven't activated it. Good to know. Now I know something else where I can buy directly from the apple website and I will not be prompted to change my plan. That means you got Verizon Wireless version of the iPhone SE, you could have saved $40 on the upgrade fee if you would have bought the SIM free version from the apple website. Yes, using the Verizon Website will prompt you to change your plan. I speak with a Verizon Wireless customer service representative that processes my order. What is the difference between putting my current (old) SE's SIM card in the new phone and activating that way, versus using the SIM card the new phone was sold with and just calling Verizon or following the prompts on the phone to activate it? Are they equivalent? Your (old) SE's SIM card is already activated. You can activate the new SIM card that came in your new iPhone SE phone, but you will have to call in and activate it. I wouldn't risk calling in when you already have a functioning SIM card with your information on it where you can just pop it in your phone and instantly activate it as soon as you turn it on. And if I were to go the Jetpack route, wouldn't my kids' phones only work when they were physically near me? Yes, Jetpacks are portable routers. Whoever is trying to have internet access has to be close to the person with the Jetpack. I'm not really inclined to do that, bc (1) I just bought a new iPhone, so I'm not in a big hurry to spend more money You can buy a used jetpacks for about $20-$40 if you buy it used, just make sure you have a clean IMEI number. You can check that by calling in to Verizon to make sure it is not stolen. (2) I am not a techie and find the whole idea a bit intimidating No problem, everyone has different preferences, and (3) half the time I have no idea where I left my phone, so the idea of having a second device I need to always have near me is not very realistic. Plus (4), which is that unless I'm misunderstanding, the Jetpack would only give my kids Wifi while near me and the Jetpack. Yes, that is correct. So then is the thing to do, if I want to hold onto this plan, if only on principle, just to activate the new phone, and maybe try to go to a lower minute plan? Is the Jetpack the only way to 'add' other devices/family members to my existing unlimited data? No, you can add lines  or lower your minutes to your nationwide account but I the only way to do it is contacting a Verizon Wireless customer service representative to add lines to your account (not sure if you have a single line or multi line family account) or you can add a sub account to your account and put your kids lines on a completely different plan which would be the newer plans Verizon offers. Is there another way to have a hotspot without buying a jetpack and without losing my gudp (I feel like I've read something on here about an app that acts as a hotspot)? Yes, you can subscribe to the tethering feature Verizon offers which is $29.99 (your company discount will lower the cost of this feature). I have not seen a tethering app on an apple device to give the iPhone the ability to tether. FWIW, I do get an employee discount now. But mostly it just feels like I'm paying a lot of money to have "real" unlimited data vs. not really unlimited data. Take a look at posts on the community forum from customers complaining that their data is being throttled to a crawl to the point they are unable to stream a song without it buffering. Since my kids aren't on my plan, I can't use parental controls on their lines, either, unless I'm misunderstanding that, too. But again, I'm in over my head with all this stuff, although I do appreciate your efforts to be very clear in your reply--so for now I'm happy to just find out what to do next, bc my old phone is barely functional and the new one is waiting for me to use it! Please read my response about adding a sub account to your Verizon Wireless account with a Verizon Wireless customer service representative or you can try to find a knowledgeable representative to add more lines to your nationwide plan. If you have a single line nationwide plan, it will have to be converted into a multi line account. On Nationwide plans, I know 2 GB's cost $30 aside from the $9.99 access fee for the additional line other than the main line. Not sure I would take the risk to convert your account to add lines as the representative might make a mistake and remove your unlimited data plan. What I did was buy an unlocked iPhone 6s and activated the $15 prepaid AT & T plan. Only drawback is that I won't be able to use parental control and not sure how much those controls actually work as the kids can log on Wi-Fi and bypass most of those Verizon Wireless parental restrictions. You have to trust your kids to be responsible if you give them a phone.    

@larzwar, Please understand that @mama23dogs has put out some misinformation about nationwide unlimited data in past posts. What I suggested is NOT against the customer agreement as we can use our unlimited data however we choose whether it be a smartphone, iPad or JetPack due to the agreement that was reached after Verizon won the auction for the 700 Mhz C block spectrum. I along with other people have used other devices for years and we still have our plans. Just don't lease your plan to someone else and hopefully you do not live in the boonies where you are roaming. Notice that she tried to sway you into the new Verizon plans right off the bat. Look over some of these post in these threads and mass amount of people complaining that they cannot even stream a video without it buffering due to their data being throttled. Don't get bamboozled and getting rid of your plan and then make you pay more. 

@larzwar wrote: Benitez147, I like your attitude and want to follow your advice, but I'm not as technologically savvy as you. I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan ($49.99) with Nationwide Talk 900 ($50.99) and $10 unlimited messaging. When I have needed a new phone, I have paid in full, and I have avoided adding my kids to my account bc i don't want the unlimited data taken away. (I actually lost it once when my kids pestered me into calling and adding a hotspot to my line, and fought like heck to get it reinstated.) My original SE gave up the ghost, and I just received the new 2020 SE today, bought from Apple, not Verizon. I have two questions. One, how do I proceed from here to activate it? It seems to have a SIM card in it, but I thought I saw something somewhere about putting the old one in it. I have not turned it on yet. Two, I cannot even articulate why I am holding onto this plan, other than if they want it back so bad, it must be worth it. But I am unable to add my kids, pay for my phones in installments, or use a hotspot, so I'm not really sure if this is smart, and I struggle to follow all the techy stuff in these posts. Can you, or anyone really, help me out with some advice and answers to these questions? I really want to activate my new phone, but don't want to lose an opportunity! Thanks Larzwar,  Thank you for your support. Yes, I am honest when it comes to grandfathered data plans such as ours. You do want to HOLD onto this data plan as long as you can. You have true UNLIMITED data. You can watch a video on your phone at 12 p.m. or 5 p.m. while many people are on their phones and you will receive the same data speed. These new "unlimited" data plans give you an allowance, once you pass that allowance your line would be subject network congestion where they slow your data to the point where you can't even listen to a song without it buffering. Before you activate your phone, go into your Verizon account to make sure your unlimited data is still in your account. I'm assuming your old SIM card that was in your original SE is still activated and if it is then yes remove the SIM card that came in your new SE and throw it away. Place your old SIM card in  your new SE and then turn it on and your grandfathered unlimited data should stay in place. You bought an apple phone in their website and it did not prompt you to change your plan before you proceeded to buy your phone? If that is the case, then I learned something new as I have always been scared to buy from a 3rd party as it has always prompted me to change my plan. I always get paranoid and buy my phones from Verizon customer service as they have never removed my unlimited data plan when buying a phone. You have a lot of minutes 900 ($50.99), why don't you drop down to the 450 minutes ($39.99) code 73436 which includes Verizon to Verizon and unlimited weekend minutes or the 30 minute loyalty plan ($15.00) code 89736 (this plan requires you to commit to a 1 year contract and this plan does not get a company discount on your minute charge due to the cost being below $39.99. If you do choose that $15.00 plan, you can simply buy a jet pack and place your unlimited data SIM card in it and have your phone connected Wi-Fi at all times. You will still be able to send messages and make and receive calls with your original number with the Veriron Messages app. If you make and receive calls with the Verizon Messages app only, you will not use any of your minutes allowance. So essentially you will have unlimited minutes in the form of Wi-Fi calling. Only drawback is if you want to use the iPhone native calling and messages app. You can get your bill down from over $100 to about $80 ($49.99 - data plan, $10 messages plan, $15 30 minute loyalty plan, plus surcharges and fees). If you also leave your SIM card in a jet pack, you won't have to purchase the $29.99 feature Verizon charges to unlock the check mark to allow mobile hotspot as the Jetpack is the router. You will be able to power your phone, your kids electronics and wife's electronics all at the same time without having to worry about a data overage. Works really good for long drives or camping. Trust me, Verizon wants all of us off this plan as it wants people on those More money out of your pocket plans, but do not give them the satisfaction. Stick it to Verizon and let's make them unhappy by keeping these true unlimited data plans. 

Rattatattatt said: "I have the Grandfathered Unlimited Data and Nationwide Talk 450 with a $10/1000 message plan. With my employee discount, I pay $94 a month which works for me. Even though I don't use a ton of data, I kept the old plan for emergencies, so I could have unlimited, prioritized data.  Now we're in that emergency. I can know that if I lose internet I can go online with my phone, or pay $26 a month for a hotspot and use any of my computers and watch any tv shows, go to websites, youtube, etc. They also gave us unlimited domestic calls for the month. However I went over my 1000 texts and I have 2 weeks to go. I really don't want to give up my Unlimited data and go on one of the new plans, but I really need to text for family and work. It doesn't look like Verizon intends to do the same COVID deal for texting that they have for voice and new plan 15gb data overages. Is there any way to up my $10/1000 add on feature to a higher message or unlimited texting plan? I've checked online and on the mobile app and I can't find any standalone texting add-ons. I'm very leery of asking a rep because they will try to get me to change. A few months ago my discounts were quietly dropped, one at a time from both voice and data over 2 different months and i had to spend hours on the phone getting them back and they kept trying to get me to change plans. I know any calls about features or plans will get them trying to strongarm me into getting a new plan which now of all times I really don't want to do." From one grandfathered unlimited data holder to another, congratulation on being able to keep this great future. In times like these, features such as unlimited data are essential in our lives as our data is not deprioritized and we can use our data on pretty much whatever we want. I understand you being nervous about letting a Verizon wireless customer service representative touching your plan and potentially making a "mistake" and removing your unlimited data. I will offer you some tips, but it is ultimately up to you if you choose to follow them. You essentially have two options: Call customer service at 1-800-922-0204 or *611 from your cell phone or use a 3rd party application such as textnow app. One way to find out if you have a knowledgeable representative is when you begin talking to them, you start talking about the features in your plan and how they are important for you to stay on your plan seeing how you've had it like that for so many years. If the VZ representative is receptive and remembers those plans, then that means she is knowledgeable in those plans and will be familiar with those features. You have to mention that you only want to change your texting plan from the 1000 text messages to the UNLIMITED MESSAGING $20.00 plan. You will then have to provide them with the code (75121) for that plan. Also let them know that if they get a warning pop up on their system about a whole new different plan from your current plan prior to the change, to abort the request and not proceed. Changing features on retired plans can be tricky as they have been of Verizon for a while now, so their codes might not be recognized by the system (hopefully not) at this time. If that is the case, then I would just download the 3rd party application give your new texting number to everyone you text. It would be a minor inconvenience until your new texting allowance restarts on your plan the following month. Good luck and post back results so other people who have this plan can see if they are allowed to make changes to their plan also. P.S. Do not give Verizon any more money than you do by subscribing to their $30.00 tethering service. Buy a used jetpack (clean IMEI) and take your Sim card from your phone and place it on a jetpack and give all of your devices the unlimited data they deserve. You will still be able to make calls and texts (Verizon Messages app) out of your phone with your Verizon number. Stick it to Verizon.

PoolCueti said: "I just wanted to add that it is possible to put the grandfathered unlimited data plan as a SEPARATE PLAN on your account.  This is the way that I've had mine for years. This is the only way I can preserve it and be certain that it won't be changed "by accident".  I have had this plan changed "by accident" while trying to add a line and it took me MONTHS and months of talking to Verizon reps , being passed on and on and repeatedly being told that there is nothing else they can do because that plan is no longer active and they cannot change it back.  I got lucky one day after umpteen hours spent on the phone trying to correct the "accident" and found a rep that was willing and fairly confident he COULD fix it and also set my data up so that I wouldn't have any overages because he would automatically bump it up as needed until he got it resolved. It took a few more weeks and a lot of work on his part but I got my grandfathered plan reinstated.  We generally use 100 +Gb monthly so it was important to get it back. I believe I'm stuck with 3G but I'm going to look into it because I'd like to have 4G service although what I have is fast enough to stream movies and music."   Thank you for your post. Are you talking about having a sub-account on top of another account  you have with Verizon? That should work as both accounts can have different types of plans. Yes, you have to be real careful and find a knowledgable representative to help you when you do any change with a nationwide plan as many customer service representatives are not familiar with these older plans. Luckily I have not had to add a line or anything of that nature to prompt a change to my plan and I have been able to hold onto it for a really long time. It is great knowing we can use as much data as we want not worry about being deprioritized or being sent a warning that we went over our data allowance. I'm glad you got your data plan reinstated after it was accidentally taken off your account. The answer here is to always be persistent and do not give up if it was not your fault in removing the feature. Why do you say you are stuck on 3G? You can simply transfer your micro or nano sim card to 4G smart phone and your plan will automatically upgrade to 4G unless you have a 3G mobile broadband device. I believe they had some restriction upgrading to a 4G mobile broadband device such as a MiFi device.

Rschnoor said: "That's what I thought. It is just that when you exaggerate part of your story, it makes it harder to believe the rest of your story. I found an old flyer online which states the actual prices of the Nationwide plans. While it would be nice to be able to always make calls via wifi, that is not always possible which is why I was on a Nationwide plan with a much larger pot of shared minutes before I started to get charged for calls by the minute. The flyer ALSO shows why your claim of being on an "unlimited" minute plan was so hard to believe with an original unlimited data plan added on. While the flyer does not list any "loyalty" plans and the discount is obviously different from what you are getting, it does show how your claim of being on an "unlimited" minute plan with an original unlimited data package while having a bill under $100 is not to be believed. Next time, just let others know what plan you "actually" have instead of exaggerating to make your story look better. Most people who used to have one of the older plans will see thru the subterfuge and will be able to point out the inconsistencies of your story. Regardless, it is good that you have found a plan with which you are happy."   That's why I put the " marks when I typed "unlimited" minutes. I thought that gave the indication that it is not officially unlimited minutes on my plan, but I do get unlimited minutes regardless because I use as many minutes as I want each month without using my minute allowance. Everything I have said on this thread and past threads has been the correct answer with Nationwide plans and nothing I said was exaggerating as I do get as many minutes as I want via Wi-Fi using my verizon number. Call quality is perfect and has been for years. That's a benefit of living in a city where 4G is always available. Yes, the Nationwide Loyalty Plan was a plan that was only offered to loyalists like myself. Hopefully the "experts" read these responses on these threads and remeber this information so they can pass it along when someone from a Nationwide Plan asks and not try to tell them lies to get them on to a new plan. Thank you for your well wishes.   

Rcschnoor said: " From the photo you have shown, I find it even more unlikely you have "unlimited" minutes. What it appears you have is "unlimited" Night & Weekend, Verizon Mobile to Mobile and Friends & Family minutes.( I remember those days of juggling my Friends & Family just to keep under my anytime minute allowance) Your Anytime minutes are most likely taken from your allotted monthly allowance but if you don't make many calls which don't fall under one of the other categories that shouldn't matter a whole lot. At least one line on my account makes around 2000 minutes/month which would not fall under any of those "unlimited" categories. I remember when Nationwide was the current plan and people were always complaining that Verizon Mobile to AT&T Mobile(as an example) was not included under Mobile to Mobile minutes. That is because only Verizon to Verizon mobile minutes were eligible. I also remember people were always asking to have Night & Weekend minutes to start earlier in the day. As to your photo, I can't see anywhere it says you have unlimited minutes. Regardless, there is one way we are both the same. We are both able to stream as much as we would like without having our data slowed. I pay LESS then I would be paying had I stayed with the original "unlimited" data plan and you are paying LESS then you would be paying had you switched to one of the newer "unlimited" data plans. All I can say is EVEN had I kept my original unlimited data plan when the current unlimited data plans came out, I would most likely switch from the old plan to the new plan since I would be saving around $100/month."   On paper I have the 550 nationwide loyalty minute plan which is nights and weekends and unlimited Verizon to Verizon. I have made many calls and 0 minutes used which is why I said I have "unlimited" minutes. I mentioned this trick in other threads. If you make/receive Wi-Fi calls through the Verizon messages app, then minutes are not counted against your monthly allowance.

Rcschnoor said: "My bill WASN'T over $300/month, it was only around $220/month. You seem to forget, though, that the original unlimited data plan was only $29.99/month and is NOW $49.99/month. That would have been a $69/month increase after my 22% company discount kicked in. Keep in mind that company discounts only apply to the data charge on the primary line, not all lines, so JUST my data charge with unlimited data on all 4 lines would have been  $189/month. I would be surprised if you actually have "unlimited" minutes because I was on the Nationwide plan which had 1400 minutes shared between all 4 lines and AFTER my 22% company discount kicked in that by itself was over $100. For a short period of time, Verizon offered a tier with "unlimited" minutes but just the "plan" price for that was over $100/month by itself BEFORE any line access fees.  I don't think that Verizon has lowered the prices on grandfathered plans since the time I was on one. I didn't give up my grandfathered plan(minutes and unlimited data) until I was able to get enough shared data to cover our normal usage at a price BELOW what we were paying at the time. After making the switch, my bill dropped from ~$220 to ~$190. During the time we were on this shared data plan, probably around 2+ years($720+ in savings), we probably only had around $60 in data overages WITHOUT making any changes in how much data I wanted to use. You are making a mistake in calling a "shared" data plan a "limited" data plan. We had "unlimited" data, it was just metered. If I am able to use AS MUCH data on a "metered" data plan as I was using on an "unlimited" data plan for a LOWER cost, I can't see a reason not to take the savings. Possibly you like to throw your money away more than I do. NOT ONCE during that time did I curtail the amount of data I wanted to use in order to keep my bill lower. I ALWAYS used as much data as I wanted. STILL, I was probably able to save $1000+ during the time I was on a shared data plan. I have since switched to one of the newer as you like to say "limited" unlimited data plans. You are correct that I have a $45 line access fee for each of my lines instead of your $9.99 line access fee. What I DON'T have is your $49.99 data fee($39 after your 22% company discount). That already brings your monthly bill for each line MORE than any of my lines. On top of that you have your plan fee which is split across your 2 lines which brings your cost per line even higher. For high data users like yourself who use MORE than 75 GB  EVERY month, the older data plans are better than the newer plans. For the VAST majority of users, though, I don't think they come close to 75 GB/month. I doubt if most even exceed 22 GB/month.  I use as much data as I would like and don't even come close to using 22 GB on my line each month. I have not once had my data speed slowed. You are correct that I could have kept my original unlimited data plan and have paid another $1000+/year and had the same experience, but it is VERY unlikely that I would have used any more data than I currently use. In fact, I could more than DOUBLE my current usage and STILL not have any effect on my data speed. On the contrary, I prefer to take that unused $1000+ every year and use it on something else I would actually use. I am glad you are happy with your unlimited plan. I am happy with mine, too.?"   I think Verizon is lying when they say the vast majority of people do not use more than 22 GB of data. More people are using data now more than ever. Wait until 4K becomes the norm and people start to stream that. It will eat up data like crazy. Have you read other threads on these community forums of people being on Get More done over by Verizon complaining about getting throttled even before they get to the 75GB limit. You also get 30GB mobile hotspot in which I can use ALL of my data for tethering. Have you streamed baseball games on a TV the whole season without getting throttled? It is pretty neat. I tried to see how much I would pay for the current set up on the mix and match plans and I have which is 2 lines and the total came up to 130 before taxes and fees which makes it about $30 more a month than I pay now. I can't speak on Verizon only offering a discount only on the main line for unlimited as I have only had 2 lines on my account. 1 smartphone and 1 basic phone and line access fee for my smartphone gets thrown in with my plan so it gets 22% discounted, so my plan and my plan and access fee come out to $29 a month. My basic phone comes out to $13 with some change after tax, that would be over 30 in the new mix and match plans. Not sure where you came up that im losing money as I am actually saving money and get to use as much data as I want without slowing. People who have TMoBlow and Sprint out of the store connect to my jetpack to get a reliable signal on their phones. If I added two more true unlimited data plans then it would jump up to $120 more a month which I would gladly pay, bet you if people had the option to get this plan then they would pay it to know they are not going to get throttled.  I do have "unlimited" minutes. I am almost done with my monthly cycle and 0 minutes used. See below picture. Can you hear me now Verizon? Ha ha ha 

Rcschnoor said: "I am happy you have a plan which works for you. Personally, I am not "angry" you still have the original unlimited data plan. I voluntarily gave mine up many years ago and switched to tiered data. Now I have one of the newer unlimited data plans and have NEVER had a problem with buffering and am ALSO paying over $100 less per month than I would have been paying had I kept the original unlimited data on all 4 of my lines. Everyone on my plan uses as much data as they would like and have never had a problem with buffering, including MANY hours of watching video every month. There may be an occasional Verizon customer who is angry you still have the original unlimited data, but for many others the newer unlimited data plans are much less expensive than what they would have been paying with the original unlimited data plan, INCLUDING the one which gives you the most premium data. For those who use more than 75 GB/month they may have been better off with the original unlimited data, but I would guess most people use much less than that. For me, I am much happier with my $200/month bill than the $300+/month I would be paying for 4 lines with the original unlimited data plan." I'm glad you like your plan. I do use more than 75 gb of data and I like knowing the fact that my data is not going to get throttled at any point. As I mentioned, I am able to put my SIM card in any 4G compatible device such as a jetpack or iPad.  I also pay $97 before taxes and fees for 2 lines which is way cheaper than any of these mix and match data plans. My line access fee is $9.99 a month as opposed to $35-$45. I also have "unlimited" minutes. Another big plus is that my %22 company discount kicks $22 off my monthly bill. Not sure which plan you had that made your bill over $300 a month. As long as your happy with your limited plan, then you're good.

Ann154 said: "You left out an important detail.  Only the smartphones could upgraded to 4G LTE without changing their plan in 2010. The Verizon Wireless let 3G EDVO smartphones be upgraded to 4G LTE smartphones without changing their plan for a few years. The owners of the 3G EDVO mobile broadband devices are required to switch to a tiered data plan or one of current unlimited data with hotspot speed restrictions. There are a number discussions in this community forum that go into detail about this subject and many of them I participated in."   Yes, that is correct. Once those smartphones went into the 4G technology, then they are allowed to swap their SIM card onto other devices without penalty. You are correct about 3G mobile broadband devices not being able to upgrade to 4G. I didn't comment on 3G mobile broadband devices as I never had one.