To The CEO of Verizon:
If Verizon does not block the handing over of phone records to the NSA which violates our privacy, I will not only port out and cancel all of my lines, I will go on the offensive and seek a boycott against you. What the **** do you think you are doing by handing over records without a fight? Caving in to demands without a fight is tantamount to sympathizing with communist and socialist practices. It is one thing to hand over specific records for one under investigation, but this is ridiculous and treasonous. Shame on you Verizon. Unless we the people, your customers, see any kind of push back against this **, you will be losing alot of business and likely encountering many lawsuits. I will ensure everyone I talk to will know what traitors Verizon are if they allow this to happen. Do the right thing and stop the hemorrhaging of our privacy. Not allowing this message to appear on the forums will further prove my claims so let the people speak their mind as afforded under the 1st Amendment of our dissolving Constitution.
Disgusted,
David
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I agree that it's a unacceptable invasion of privacy, but the problem is with the government, Not Verizon. Blame the Patriot Act. All the major telecommunications companies probable have, or at least have had in the past, similar orders. Verizon's just happens to be the one that leaked.
Freedom of Speech or expression STOPS on my doorstep. In this case Verizon's door.
This is their property and they maintain this web site and you use same under their rules.
No First Amendment rights broken here.
Nor was the Fourth Amendment broken by them because they were instructed under a lawful subpoena and warrant signed by a JUDGE to turn over those records.
For them not to comply or to fight the subpoena would put their business license in jeopardy.
No Matoya, if Verizon put into our contract agreements about sharing this with the NSA and/or other government entities, then we cannot complain. But they did NOT and thus is a breach of our contract. Just because the police want access to your home, doesn't mean they get it. They must have probable cause AND a warrant. Verizon seems to be doing whatever they want with no regards to their customers privacy and this will come back and hurt them later. Just watch.
No Elector. A blanket turnover of ALL records is the problem I have with this. Individuals who are suspected of a crime is one thing. But turning over ALL RECORDS of ALL CUSTOMERS is a breach of our privacy rights. If they are simply complying with a court order, then they can simply let me out of my contract for that breach. Verizon denied releasing of any records so they lied to their own customers and the world for that matter. We all know that the Patriot Act is in itself unConstitutional anyways so that was needed in order to get everything the government wants. So, thiss country is moving ever closer to a police state. It seems I remember this happening before somewhere else. Oh yeah, Germany about 70 years ago.
"It is beyond Orwellian, and it provides further evidence of the extent to which basic democratic rights are being surrendered in secret to the demands of unaccountable intelligence agencies."
And the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a statement, "As far as we know, this order from the FISA court is the broadest surveillance order to ever have been issued: it requires no level of suspicion and applies to all Verizon subscribers anywhere in the U.S."
The ninth and tenth amendments were included to make absolutely sure there was no misunderstanding about the limited powers the Constitution grants to the federal government.
Amendment IX:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Now, where's the right to privacy?
It is clearly in those two amendments.
What you and others are failing to see is under the law, be it right or wrong in our lives Verizon or any other entity had no recourse but to comply to a rightful signed order of the court.
Should we as citizens of this great country just obey some of our laws? Or all of them? We may not like some actions of our government but we stick by it because of if we don't we have total chaos.
Your records and mine and millions of others are already in the hands of the government.
My friend there are more records in many other places we never even concern ourselves with, Credit, health, insurance, military, group affiliations, and many many more.
So now because we don't like the way these records were requested and turned over we blame Verizon. Lets blame ourselves since we are the ones allowing this to happen. The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, The Secret Service, the FBI the NSA or hundreds of other government or non government agencies collecting it. Just look at the IRS or even your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Yeah now it gets you to think doesn't it?
Nothing about PRIVACY is mentioned there.
The states have sovereign rights to make their own laws, which is covered here.
The right of the people to address certain rights are granted by the other.
The constitution changes as we change, the principals of it remain but will never be absolute.
Come on you are aware of that.
This is unacceptable and a breach of contract! I will let my contracts expire and not renew with Verizon. Thanks for having our backs Verizon. Regardless of what the circumstances are I have the right not to do business with this company anymore. Hit them in the pocket book.
Nope, no contract violations here. see the excerpt and click the link for full disclosure.
http://www22.verizon.com/about/privacy/policy/#infochange
Except as explained in this Privacy Policy, in privacy policies for specific services, or in agreements with our customers, Verizon does not sell, license or share information that individually identifies our customers, people using our networks, or website visitors with others outside the Verizon family of companies for non-Verizon purposes without the consent of the person whose information will be shared.
Verizon uses vendors and partners for a variety of business purposes such as to help us offer, provide, repair and bill for services we deliver to you. We share information with those vendors and partners to the extent reasonably necessary for them to perform work on our behalf. For example, we may provide your credit card information and billing address to our payment processing company solely for the purpose of processing payment for a transaction you have requested. We require that these vendors and partners protect the customer information we may provide to them and limit their use of Verizon customer data to the purposes for which it was provided. We do not permit these types of vendors and partners to use this information for their own marketing purposes.
As described in more detail in other sections of this policy, Verizon also may share certain information with outside companies to assist with the delivery of advertising campaigns, or preparing and sharing aggregate business and marketing reports.
Verizon provides the names, addresses and telephone numbers of wireline telephone subscribers to directory publishers and directory assistance services unless a non-published or non-listed phone number has been requested.
We may disclose information that individually identifies our customers or identifies customer devices in certain circumstances, such as:
If you purchase services offered jointly by Verizon and one of our partners, customer information may be received by both Verizon and our partner that is providing your service. For these jointly offered services, you should also review the partner company's privacy policy which may include practices that are different from the practices described here.
If Verizon enters into a merger, acquisition or sale of all or a portion of its assets or business, customer information will also be transferred as part of or in connection with the transaction.
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