Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

And really, locking the device down creates more bricks than having the device open.

Sure, there's lots of people who brick their device doing things they shouldn't.  Those people, who hard brick their phone return it to Verizon saying.."I dunno.. it just.. broke!"  Of course, this isn't what we want.  If the device wasn't so locked down and easier to "unbrick" it would save VZW more than encrypting the boot loader costs.

Again, I'll stand by it-  the only reason VZW locks down the device is to prevent you from putting the latest and greatest Android OS on the device yourself.  If you want ICS, but your hardware is capable-  sorry, you're gonna have to buy a new phone.

This gives me an idea...

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

What does it matter to Verizon if people get the latest and greatest? Its the manufacturers. Verizon makes money regardless of what version you have. Manufacturers don't. They access the sales of devices and see if it is worth their time to update. The Droid RAZR sold more than the Droid 4 which one got the update first? Look at the Bionic which had abysmal sales and see where it sits. Now Verizon makes money no matter which device was sold. You are under contract for 2 years to pay for service. What incentive do manufacturers get?

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

This implies the end user is the customer to the phone manufacturer, which, it is not.  It broke my heart to hear the Samsung Level 2 Tech guy who tried (and failed) to trouble shoot my device (that I still may exchange for another) say that, but I understand.  The phone manufacturers customer is the carrier.  Verizon does make money on the sale of the device via mark-up for full retail sales.  Otherwise, the money is made through a subsidized phone through the 2 year contract. (Which oddly isn't readjusted for those of us with no-contractual agreements.)  Hmm...

So, retail phone sales, mark up's, your $30 upgrade fee, etc.  There is incentive there.  Plenty of it.  Like I mentioned-  I would not have upgraded from my X2 if I had the ability to put ICS on it without having to hack it.  I opted to instead purchase a new phone.  Once received, and found to be locked- it occurred to me I did exactly what they wanted me to do.

Are you aware with first hand knowledge whether or not a phone manufacturer gets a percentage of the contract for the duration of the service?

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
commonsense101
Specialist - Level 2

It's a cellphone, get a hobby

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

No you are. There is no difference between buying a phone from Verizon than buying an Xbox 360 from Walmart.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

I didn't realize you were privy to the contracts between carrier and manufacturer.

What more about all this can you share then?

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

I (deleted content to comply with VZW Community ToS) someone's cherrios...

What if the cell phone is my hobby?   😮

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
Tidbits
Legend

TheDiabolicaL1 wrote:

I didn't realize you were privy to the contracts between carrier and manufacturer.

What more about all this can you share then?

Do you have something that says otherwise?

Just look at all the manufacturers with an unlocked bootloader.  Which ones sold well and which ones didn't.  You will see a trend with manufacturers and they don't get incentives.  Samsung, and HTC started their own media stores, and manufacturers add their own bloatware to get you to purchase services(You can easily tell them apart from Verizon... Look at the European unbranded unlocked versions and you will see the same apps throughout).

People just love to blame carriers as they are always the closest to deal with.  They believe they have leverage because of the contract.  Carrier subsidization was the worst thing that could happen to this industry.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
TheDiabolicaL1
Contributor - Level 1

Tidbits wrote:

Carrier subsidization was the worst thing that could happen to this industry.

I couldn't agree more.

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Re: Encrypted Bootloaders, The Law and Your Rights
PJNC284
Master - Level 2

Just going to leave this here...

http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii430/pttyndal/droid/Screenshot_2012-07-24-14-10-26.png

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